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Stephen Licciardello: Lianne, we're so excited, and you're joining us from Washington. Welcome to the show. Are. Yeah.

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 Leanne Linsky: Thank you. I'm excited to be here. I love stories. So this is so cool.

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Stephen Licciardello: Well, it's all about stories, and we're so interested in learning about your story because stories just encourage us and have the power to heal people. So And, tell us a little bit about your background and how you got into this journey as a comedian.

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 Leanne Linsky: I actually worked for a corporation for nearly I went to school for business, and then I got a job with a company. And then a year later, I went to another company and stayed there for almost 13 years. And I thought that's what I was gonna do, and that's what I was gonna retire from. Well, during that time, I did a lot of public speaking and everything, so I thought, I'm gonna take a comedy writing class so I can be a little bit more funny. And so I did, and I loved it. And then a coworker suggested I take improv classes at a And City training center. Now this is all why I was living in Las Vegas. I immediately fell in love with it.

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 Leanne Linsky: I'm like, no matter what I do in life, like, I'm gonna take all of their classes. Well, lo and behold, almost 13 years into my job, I was laid off. And my friends were like, hey, you said if you didn't have that job, you would move to New York. I was like, the, someone was listening to me. So I started signing up for improv classes in New York on my vacation time. So one of the guys I met in New York was like, hey. I'm moving to New York, and I have a sublet. Do you wanna split it this summer? And I was like, well, I'll think about it.

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 Leanne Linsky: And he's like, you have and hour. I was like, oh. So I went outside, went for a walk, came back, I called him, I said, okay. I'm in. And a month later, I packed up 2 suitcases and moved to New York City.

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Stephen Licciardello: Why New York? Why the attraction to New York around comedy?

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 Leanne Linsky: So when I was taking improv classes, one of my instructors, she said to me, you know, if you're really serious about this, you might consider going and studying with because in Las Vegas, I was studying with the and city, which is based out of Chicago, which I'm originally from the Chicagoland are, so I'm very familiar. So they had a training center in Vegas in which I was a Stephen. And then the the instructor there was like, if you really wanna check it out, you also wanna maybe try out another theater that's really known for improv in New York and and kind of put yourself out there are even this other theater in Chicago and try that. So the and one in Chicago, I couldn't do because it was 5 weeks and I didn't have that much vacation time. But the one in New York, I could do because it was 2 weeks. So I went off and I did the, and I was like, oh, New York. I could live here. Like, this would be amazing.

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 Leanne Linsky: And I just fell in love with the city. I don't know. There's just a whole energy to New York, plus there's a thriving comedy scene in both improv and stand up. And so when I eventually moved to New York City, I just fully immersed myself. I took I signed up for classes. I started doing shows with an improv group or 3. And then I started and open mic with a friend, and he eventually dropped off. But I ended up running that open mic for Stephen and a half years in New York.

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 Leanne Linsky: And then I brought it to California when I moved to California as a show and produce shows. So I was producing in New York and then California. I don't know. It just snowballed. And yeah. But New York is amazing. I just love it.

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Stephen Licciardello: Just for our audience, do you wanna just speak into the different types of comedy? So you've mentioned improv, you mentioned stand up, and then open mic. Just explain them to us.

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 Leanne Linsky: Sure. So improv is improvisation, and there's 2 forms. The first, most people are familiar with from the show Whose Line is it Anyway? And it's short form improv where they do short form we call them games, and then they'll will get suggestions from the audience and do silly things, and they're very quick. Right? Long form is the other type of improvisation, And long form is basically where you have an ensemble of 6 or 8 people, typically, and someone will step forward and get a suggestion from the audience. And then they do a whole half hour show based on that one suggestion. And that's long form because it's not game, but it's it's a series of scenes and scene works that kind of, like, have patterns to them and there's a structure to it that the audience doesn't necessarily see but we know to play the. And then it kinda wraps up, and the audience is like, oh, how did they do that with no script at the end? Yeah. So that's improv.

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 Leanne Linsky: And then stand up comedy is what we see comedians like Jerry Seinfeld or Chelsea Handler or Whitney Cummings or Dave Chappelle, like, all these different people. Right? Where they stand up, one person with a microphone, and tell jokes. That's stand up comedy. And how comedians get better and how comedians work out their jokes, part of the writing process is actually doing open mics. And so open mics are not book shows. Open mics can be held in coffee shops, bars, clubs, anywhere, and they're typically not a ticketed show. It's kind of where just comedians show up because you never know what you're gonna get. People are just working out ideas or jokes that haven't been fully thought out or polished yet are they're rehearsing and that things like that.

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 Leanne Linsky: Oftentimes, there's open mics for musicians and a variety and stuff, and it's very entertaining because you never know who's gonna come and show up. It's it's pretty it's it's real. I love open mics. Yeah. They're very fun.

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Stephen Licciardello: It just made me think when you are saying that, the open mic. I didn't realize the was so much preparation in being a comedian.

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 Leanne Linsky: Oh, yes. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. People are like, oh, you're funny. The writing process or the the joke process? The

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Stephen Licciardello: whole thing. Yeah. The whole rhyming process and

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 Leanne Linsky: Yeah. So very rarely, for me anyway, I speak from my own own experience, and I do see this a lot. Very rarely do I, or most comedians, probably come up with a joke that's, like, a 10 out of a 10, you know, right out of the gate. Sometimes we think of an idea or a premise or maybe we think of a punchline, but we don't have the setup or vice versa. Or we think of things and they're they're you know how when you write a story, right, when we when we write a story, typically our first version, we have a lot of information in it that doesn't need to be shared because it doesn't move the story forward. It's just, you know, a lot of random things and rabbit holes. So once with with comedy, it's the same thing. Sometimes we have an idea or a situation, and we write it all out, and there's a lot of words there.

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 Leanne Linsky: But the trick with being a stand up comedian is we have to be economical with our words and get to the point very quickly. Because if we don't, someone's getting up and going to the the. They're going to get another drink at the are, we've lost an audience. I mean, they expect laughs and often. So writing a joke is more like writing out a story than mining every sentence for where the funny is so that we can kind of tell a maybe a theme or a thread throughout our stand up set, know, around a particular topic. But every two lines, we should be getting a laugh.

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Sharlene Licciardello: Do you mind when you're going through the whole preparation that you're actually making yourself laugh? Or do you have to, like, retain

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 Leanne Linsky: yourself? Yeah. Sometimes I make myself laugh. Sometimes I make myself yeah. It's it's enjoyable, you know? It's kind of like, oh, the that's that's and of funny. And it's not like I can sit down and just write a bunch of jokes. Sometimes it's like something will happen that will spark an idea or inspire me for something. Sometimes I can sit down. Like, I've done it as exercises before where, like, I have this much amount of time.

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 Leanne Linsky: I'm just gonna write. So I'll do stream of conscious, or I'll pick a topic, or I'll pick 2 things that don't make sense together and see how I can bring those 2 things together. To me, it's kind of wordplay. It's deconstructing an idea. Looking at things from another perspective is always really fun. Putting myself in someone else's shoes, I love doing the, looking at it. Like, a lot of times I talk about relationships and that's a lot of my humor. So I try to look at it from other the the other person, my my boyfriend are my husband's point of view, and that's usually funnier to me of, like, what what's they think about me? You know? So that's kinda how I actually rewrite my story all the time.

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 Leanne Linsky: And one of the things that I I just realized I completely skipped is why I got into comedy is during that time that people had suggested that I take a class or and that I was doing a lot of public speaking, I had also just experienced my and divorce. And if there is one way to kind of, like, reframe my for me, but I was looking for a way to, like this is a great way to reframe my perspective on life because all the improv exercises and things like that also play into how I write stand up, and we have to be other characters. We have to, you know an exercise in class might be rant as though though you're mad at something, and then they'll change it. And they'll be like, take the person you're mad at and be them and rant about yourself from their point of view. And it's so eye opening and also hilarious. You know? And so when I write stand up, I kind of and go through all of those those things. And, you know, it's I don't know. I have a blast doing it.

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 Leanne Linsky: I like looking for the weird, the unusual. Things that are very personal to me also is very helpful.

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Sharlene Licciardello: It sounds like you're very rich also personal development process too. Like, when going through those things and you're going through difficult situations in your life, it's another way of having a different perspective and putting a bit of, like, a laugh to it. So you're having another look at that situation from a different point of view.

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 Leanne Linsky: Absolutely. When I was in New York, so and I was doing a lot of improvising or improv shows, I also wrote my my one woman show. And my one woman show was all about my life in Vegas because I lived in Vegas for 16 years. And during that time, I had been married and divorced twice, and I decided and that bothered me. I mean, I don't know anybody who went through a divorce and it really didn't bother them. It bothered me a lot, and I remember there was a point where I was going through that the and time, and I was laying on my bedroom floor. And I just remember, like, I'm gonna start saying yes to things and doing things different because, obviously, what I'm currently doing is not working. And how do I go about changing my life and and trying new things and, I don't know, just getting away from the same? So so that helped a lot.

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 Leanne Linsky: And then so when I went to New York and I wanted to write a and woman show, it was like, what do I wanna write about? Well, what do I know best? Divorce, heartache, bad relationships, dating, and that so I threw all of those things into a show. So, like, in the show, I played other characters. I played it from maybe my ex husband's point of view, my parents' point of view, my brother's point of view, Even had a conversation with, you know, higher power of God, and what were they telling me? Like, what are you doing? You know? Like, all of those things. But doing that and going through, I spent a year writing that. So it went through many iterations, many, many different you know, a lot of things that didn't just get brought to the stage at all. And then when I first put up that show, it was about 25 minutes long. That's what you call a half hour show. And then a year later, it was then a 55 minute show.

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 Leanne Linsky: So I premiered it in New York. I took it to Delaware and, Washington DC and back to New York again. So when I brought it back to New York, it was now 55 minutes, and it was more polished. You know, my director and I, after each show, would examine what what got laughs, what didn't, what pieces need to be improved, what pieces needed to go throughout a whole year. And for me, what I really learned about it was that my story is always changing. Because as I grow and evolve as a person, my perspective changes. And things that I thought were important or something then, I'd make new discoveries. So when peep after that year, people were like, oh, are you gonna continue that and maybe bring it to the West Coast or resurrect it later? I was like, oh, but I I can't because that's not who I am anymore.

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 Leanne Linsky: You know, that's not necessarily my perspective or my point of view, but I feel like it brought so much closure to be able to sit and play in that and reexamine it all the time. But not just from in my head, but how others are responding to it, what other people reading reviews and seeing what they took away from it. Fascinating to me.

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Stephen Licciardello: What are what a amazing powerful way to rewrite your story by bringing humor into a place that was hurtful. Like, that is so awesome. Yeah. Thanks. Amazing. Yeah. How did you go from a full time employee to making this your career?

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 Leanne Linsky: Well, that's that's smoke and mirrors. Although I was doing like, when I left New York, I was doing, I don't know, 15 shows a month or something. The truth is is I don't really get paid for comedy. Most comedians don't get paid. We get free burger and a beer. We get maybe some gas money. Sometimes it's and exchange. You know? If if I put you in this show, will you put me in your show? Like, there's all this bartering going on.

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 Leanne Linsky: You know? And sometimes people will throw me, you know, some some decent money at something, but, unfortunately, it's not enough to pay all my bills. So I've always pretty much maintained some sort of job throughout the time. There was a period where I didn't have I wasn't doing anything else but that for some time, but it wasn't necessarily completely self sustaining. So there were a couple years where I wasn't working. Yeah.

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Stephen Licciardello: Yeah. Thank you for being so honest because a lot of people think that this is like a full time career and that you can make a a load of money out of it.

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 Leanne Linsky: No. Actually, it's so in open mics, there's a lot of free open mics, but comedians have to sign up in advance and you only get 5 minutes, maybe more depending on how popular the mic is and how much time people are willing to stay and watch you. But, typically, it's like 5 minute spots. And often now, people have to pay for those in person mics. People have to chat they get charged $5 for 5 minutes or $10 for 10 minutes, things like that. And I I from what I understand from friends in New York, you know, that's become more popular and even more pricey. And when we wanna be booked in clubs, it's hard to do. You have to take their classes.

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 Leanne Linsky: You have to hang out at the club all the time and get to know everybody and be liked by everybody and also be good. And then maybe they'll let you host an open mic, which is the unpaid position, and they'll let you do that for a year because that gives you clout, you know, and also a hosting experience, which is actually a very important skill set. But you don't get paid for it. And maybe you'll get a guest spot. Don't get paid for that. Maybe a free drink here or there. But, typically, if you want guest spots, which are anywhere from 5 or 10 minutes or less, let's say, usually 5 minutes at a club, you're not getting paid. A lot of those guest spots, the comedians have to go outside.

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 Leanne Linsky: And you know how you see people in the street like, hey. Do you like comedy? Wanna get a comedy ticket? That's that's super popular in Times Square and, like, on Hollywood Boulevard and things like that. It's called are. The comedians have to go out there all afternoon and get people to buy comedy tickets, and then they get a minute of stage time for every ticket sold. And, yeah, little did you know that's how it works. So, typically, features features will get paid. They'll get paid maybe a flat fee for their set, and features are like that longer set before the headliner, you know, a little longer than all the other guest spots. And then the headliner will get paid typically a flat fee unless they're maybe really well known and have TV credits, and they can negotiate are their agent or manager can negotiate some sort of split of the door with a venue, but, typically, it's a flat fee.

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 Leanne Linsky: And, yeah, and that's that's kinda how it goes. It can take a long time to get past at a at a club. Like, if there's a chain of clubs, they may pass you amongst their chain. But, you know, you have to be fairly well along in your career in order to make that happen and then that's some traveling and, you know, like, I know a comedian who's been doing stuff for over 30 years. He's hilarious. Oh my goodness. He's so good. He got booked for a paid gig, got paid, let's say, $200.

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 Leanne Linsky: I'm just making up the number. I don't I remember the story. I don't remember the the. But, basically, then he had to travel several hours outside of LA to do it, so he had to get a hotel and pay for his travel himself. So he was basically, like, $90 in the hole at the end of the time. He was in the he was in the the. But he had a paid show and was thrilled he got a paid show. Yeah.

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Stephen Licciardello: I know in Australia, the are were severely affected by COVID, and a lot of performers were affected by it. And as everything closed down and I'm assuming that was the same in the U. S, what was that time for you and how did that lead you to what you're currently doing?

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 Leanne Linsky: Yeah. So so interestingly enough, I once I moved from New York to LA, I suddenly found myself wasting a lot of time in traffic. Because if you've ever been to LA, something could be super close. Like, it could be a mile or 2 away, yet it will take you hours to get there because the traffic is so terrible. And so I was like, how how can I spend hours in traffic to get 5 minutes on stage and not get paid? Like, I can't even afford gas. What I wanted to do was start bringing things online. Now this is August 2019 BC, before COVID, and I started doing open mics on Zoom. And when I first moved to Los Angeles area, I wanted to do them and that was in, like, 2015 ish that I was like, I should do them on Skype.

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 Leanne Linsky: Remember Skype? And people were like, no, I'm not going on Skype. So in August of 2019, I'm like, I'm gonna do it on Zoom. And I started doing it on Zoom and connecting East Coast, West Coast people, and they're like, the, this is really great. And then some other comedians were like, what? I'm never doing that. And then COVID and, and suddenly everybody was doing that. But during that time, I was like, you know what? There's something here. I can't replace in person because I believe there's a magic to in person events that we we cannot replicate. But there is a gap between social media and in person.

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 Leanne Linsky: And I wanted to bridge that gap because in comedy, it's super important for us to hear laughs in real time and to see people. And the existing technologies, although they were great for the pandemic, I heard a lot of the challenges from myself and others in entertainment that were limiting. So I thought, how do I scale this? How do I build something completely different that can that can have a bigger impact for entertainment? So I actually went back to school and got my master's in innovation and entrepreneurship at University of California, Irvine during COVID and got involved, got a mentor are 2, and started started Plausible and how like, the whole planning of it and everything. And then once I graduated, I ended up getting a team together and building plausible so that it's our own technology and everything that we're using in order for comedians to have this virtual playground, in order to not only perform and have a global reach, but also so that they can actually earn money based on their own ticket sales, which you can't like I just explained, monetizing your comedy is really hard, in the real world. So how can they have get a hand up in in jumping their you know, moving their career forward, jump starting it? So that's how I got here.

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Stephen Licciardello: Tell us a little bit about how plausible works, like, how from the comedian's point of view, but also from a person who just loves comedy and wants to subscribe.

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 Leanne Linsky: Yeah. So think of it as like the are you familiar with Etsy?

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Stephen Licciardello: Yes.

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 Leanne Linsky: The okay. So think of, like, the Etsy marketplace. You have all these people who make really cool things, and then you have people who want to buy them. So plausible, we have all these common comedians who are really funny and wanna perform shows. And so plausible, they have the scheduling tools, the virtual stage, the ticketing services, everything at their fingertips, and they can create it right there on Plausible. So, like, think about it if Zoom, Etsy, and Yelp had a baby for comedy. So, like, certain features that you're familiar with each but completely designed for entertainment and that the the comedians, they come on like the, and they're live in real time, not prerecorded. And then the audience, you as an audience member, you create your free account.

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 Leanne Linsky: You can look at the talent directory and see all of the the comedians and learn about them on their profile pages, or you can go into the show listings and and register to watch a show. It'll tell you the date and the time, and you show up on the date and the time online, and you log in. And then you can see and hear the entire audience and the performer, and they can all see and hear you. And we don't have audio delays or cutouts, so when people laugh, the, like, the comedian can hear everybody laughing at the same time, and it doesn't cut them off. And, you can you can see the whole audience, but the comedian remains larger and anchored. But you don't have to click through to see your audience. You can simply scroll and they'll move up and down your screen on a carousel so that kind of like if you were in person in a club, you only see so many people until you move your head. You know? And so same with a comedian on stage, the lights are bright in our face.

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 Leanne Linsky: So we only see a few people in the front row, but with our mouse and the wheel, we can quickly read the room very quickly and see how we're doing.

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Stephen Licciardello: What a brilliant concept.

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Sharlene Licciardello: What would you say is Polly, your biggest challenge going to this?

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 Leanne Linsky: Oh. So I think the biggest challenge is people when I talk about Plausible, people tend to assume it's a Zoom or another technology that already exists. So when they log in are before they log in, they're like, oh, I can just do that on Zoom are I could do that here. So I think the biggest thing is for someone to log in and go, oh, this is what it is, you know, and actually see it and go, oh my gosh. This is different, yet I understand the concept because I've experienced these other things. So I think that's just it is getting people to see, like, it isn't exactly like something that are they already have, but it can it can take the whole experience to another level. Yeah.

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Stephen Licciardello: What what what is your vision for plausible in the future? What are you looking to are you looking to expand? Are you looking to add other arts?

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 Leanne Linsky: Yes. So what I'm okay. So what I'm really excited about and the other the one funny challenge the I didn't realize I had, comedians think they have to ask permission. Like, can I do this on here? I'm like, of course you can. Like like, there's no like, we're so accustomed to be like, can I use your coffee shop for an open mic, or can I get a spot on your show? But are, they can just log in and create their show and go. They don't have to ask me. But where I see it going, like the avenues, what I'm excited about is is, yes, there are other entertainers, like, that this that could benefit from something like this. So I am really happy to see that even comedians are starting to branch out of, like, the traditional stand up show, and now they experimented with podcasting and in front of a live online audience because it changes the whole vibe and energy of a room.

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 Leanne Linsky: You know? It brings, like, other people into it, and they can hear each other laughing. They also are experimenting with improv on there, not just stand up. So that is very, very, very fun to see. People, you know, really getting creative with the technology. And then also they're doing somewhat and an comedian who's a regular on there, she's really great. She is she just posted a midweek late night show. So she has a musician that they're gonna be combining more of, like, a late night TV show kind of vibe. And so it's her and a fellow musician and a guest, and so they're going that avenue.

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 Leanne Linsky: And I just think there are so many opportunities for people to try new things, even if you're doing a and person show, you're sharing your story, and you wanna incorporate humor into it. Like, there's it's endless. And I what what also excites me about this and doing the research as I was putting this together, looking at the most popular because everybody's live streaming, so this is a another form of live streaming. It's become so popular and people would say, Leanne, aren't you really pigeonholing yourself and making yourself small just doing comedy? But comedy is the and most popular genre of livestream, only and behind breaking news. So people are in serious need of laughs these days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Stephen Licciardello: And and laughter is so much healing.

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 Leanne Linsky: Like Yeah.

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Stephen Licciardello: Cheerleading laughter.

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 Leanne Linsky: So true.

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Stephen Licciardello: Lea, can we put you on the spot and and give us a bit of a comedy sample? You want me to throw you to our topic?

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 Leanne Linsky: I don't know. I you know, it's funny because I'm not used to going going anywhere. I do everything online and every every day, all day. So when I went out and met people in real life in person, it was so awkward because I kept forgetting to unmute myself. It's like, what is happening right now?

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Stephen Licciardello: Sure. Yep. Awesome.

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Sharlene Licciardello: That's awesome. I think it's so amazing what you're doing at the moment and just taking that plausible and opening it up to so many people. How like, I know that there's different styles of, like, humor. Like, the the dry are. What makes it different to the standard, like, the stand up comedies?

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 Leanne Linsky: Yeah. Well, on Plausible, when fans so when comedians log in, we ask them to tell us about themselves for their profile, and they are they have a like, they can select all the topics that they typically talk about in their comedy, and then they can also tell us if they're clean comedy, if they're suited for corporate work, if they're club oriented. They kinda tell us. And then when comedy fans log in, they tell us what they want to see so that as we grow, we'll be able to match them up. And in the meantime, they can filter all of the selections based on what they like, and then they can see who pops up.

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Stephen Licciardello: Yeah. I I can just see Sharlene joining and doing, you know, for her dad jokes, the queen of dad jokes.

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Sharlene Licciardello: Oh, no.

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Stephen Licciardello: I can just see your

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 Leanne Linsky: hair. There's a great show and of our comedians has. They're called and are dad joke. It's quite so funny.

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Stephen Licciardello: Oh, she's definitely good at it all.

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Sharlene Licciardello: Yes. What advice would you give to someone who wanted to rewrite their life story in any area at the moment?

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 Leanne Linsky: Oh, my gosh. Just do it. Start. There's best thing I ever did was learning how to how to do the, honestly, changed my life. You know? And, yeah, I think just kind of like, what if you were to write your story from the other person's perspective? What if, like, honestly, take take a dip into that pool and see what that like, what would they say about the situation? You know, what would your mailman say about the situation? What would kind of look at it from all of those angles. But, also, the other really important thing for me and in any situation is finding the funny. Where's the funny? Where's the fun in this? What could I what could I poke at? You know? Like, I'll give you an example. Last night, you know, my husband and I are getting ready to go to bed, and he knows that and of my pet peeves is that when, let's say, if we're laying on the couch and we're watching TV and all the lights are out, right, I cannot stand it if I have to go into a brightly lit room the next thing, you know, like, if we go into the bedroom then, like, why are all the lights on? Like, the Luxor or something hotel is shining in my eyes.

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 Leanne Linsky: I'm like, why would you do that to me? I just got all relaxed and now I'm, like, blinded. So he knows I it drives me crazy. So he'll go ahead of me and he'll be like, you know, he'll tell the the Google if I say it, she's gonna talk. And he'll be, like, okay. You know, you turned all the lights out. And and so last night, I could hear him doing it, and she wouldn't do it. And I'm standing in the hall like this, like, I don't wanna look at the bright light. And finally, we get it to go out, and I walk in, and I trip over something in the middle of the floor.

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 Leanne Linsky: I go, what? Now I can't even see anything. And he's like, oh my god. Because he just put the lights out because I was complaining that it was too bright. If we turn the lights out, I trip, but I blame it because I can't see anything. So as angry as I was in that moment, like, legit, I had to stop and laugh, and we started laughing at each other. I'm like, that's insane. That is so ridiculous. So even those moments on a daily basis, there's something there.

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 Leanne Linsky: There's always something there. You know? Yeah. If you could go back

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Sharlene Licciardello: now and rewrite your own life story, what would that

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 Leanne Linsky: look like? Maybe a couple less marriages and divorces. But, honestly, I actually, you know, that's not true. I I believe things are meant to be and sometimes they're meant to be over in those cases, but those are valuable life lessons. And I don't know that I would really change anything because you change one thing, it kinda has this ripple effect like in those movies, right, where they go back and change something. And I really like where I am now. I really do. So when I look back and go, would I change this? I mean, are, I learned lessons. I wouldn't repeat them going forward, but, oh my goodness, if I changed one of those things, what if I had never moved to New York? What if I had never met my husband now? What if, like, scare me? You know? Would I be willing to give any one of those things up? No.

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 Leanne Linsky: Because all of that is all of that good, bad, and the ugly is exactly what got me here. And here's You got so much betrayal. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, plausible maybe have never have happened. So Yeah. Yeah.

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Stephen Licciardello: The, thank you so much for joining us today. And if you wanna know more about Leanne and her work, make sure you check out the podcast notes and we'll have all her social media links and also a link to plausible. But you can also check it out at plausible.com and make sure you sign up. It's free to sign up and then you just subscribe to what you want to subscribe and go from there. The, thank you again.

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 Leanne Linsky: Thank you. Such a pleasure.